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NPR’s Ailsa Chang speaks with Zoë Jenkins, Miranda Zanca and Ichtaca Lira, reporters for YR Media, about their collection “Teenagers in America.”



AILSA CHANG, HOST:

Practically three-quarters of youngsters immediately say that they’ve talked to a mum or dad about race up to now yr. That is at the very least based on a Washington Put up-Ipsos ballot, which additionally discovered greater than half have had an identical dialog with a detailed pal. So we wished to know, what have these conversations been like? The youth media group YR Media teamed up with The Washington Put up for the collection Teenagers in America. Teenage YR Media reporters from 5 components of the nation recorded interviews with relations and friends, every exploring a special query; from navigating being mixed-race to how white privilege performs out in households.

We’re joined now by three of these reporters immediately – Zoe Jenkins in Charlottesville, Va.; Miranda Zanca in Chicago, In poor health.; and Ichtaca Lira in Hayward, Calif.

Welcome to all three of you.

ZOE JENKINS: Thanks a lot for having us.

ICHTACA LIRA: Yeah, it is so nice to be right here.

MIRANDA ZANCA: Hello. Thanks.

CHANG: Effectively, Miranda, I need to flip to you as a result of the story that you simply reported is known as “Am I Asian Sufficient?” (ph). Are you able to simply speak about why you determined to work on this piece, which was about the way you perceived your Chinese language background rising up?

ZANCA: So I believe it is an expertise that a number of mixed-race individuals have. Am I sufficient, you recognize? Is the expertise that I’ve had as a part of this ethnic group sufficient to make me a type of people who belongs? And I believe a number of the expertise that I’ve had is being perceived as Asian by individuals who aren’t Asian after which being perceived as white or Hispanic by people who find themselves. And it simply makes you always query, like, am I Asian sufficient? Am I Asian in any respect? Am I, you recognize, something?

CHANG: You understand, once I was listening to your piece, one thing that basically struck me was all these conversations you have got had with members of your loved ones concerning the Chinese language a part of your id. And I need to look at type of this distinction that you simply noticed between how your brother noticed the Chinese language a part of his id versus how your grandfather did. Are you able to speak about that?

ZANCA: Sure. So my brother mainly stated that whereas he was rising up, particularly in highschool, he had this expertise the place he simply was at all times wishing that he appeared much less Asian, regarded much less Asian, you recognize, was simply seen as white. And he went to, like, a Catholic all-boys faculty. It was majority white, and it simply created a number of challenges for him as a result of individuals would assume that he was a sure approach as a result of he was Asian. I do not even actually know what that meant in most contexts, however I do know that – and this was so heartbreaking for me. Like, he actually wished that he wasn’t. And on the flip aspect, for my grandpa, he has no notion of his personal race.

(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “POST REPORTS: LISTENING IN AS TEENS TALK ABOUT RACE”)

UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #1: You understand, that is not the dominant a part of my id in my tradition. I believe my tradition’s been formed much more by quite a few the issues that I’ve grown up with right here in the US. I believe that what maybe is extra essential is a bunch of questions posed by the nice Western philosophers, you recognize, speaking about, what does it imply to be a very good individual?

ZANCA: My grandpa’s 100% Chinese language, and my brother is 25% Chinese language, however they appear to have these utterly totally different experiences the place my brother’s perceived racial id was such an integral a part of, like, his self-image and his self-confidence and his progress as an individual. And for my grandpa, it was type of similar to, eh.

CHANG: Like a non-issue, proper.

ZANCA: Proper.

CHANG: Effectively, Zoe, I need to go to you now as a result of your story – it is about racism at school and your efforts to redefine how race is taught. What do you suppose is essential for academics and for directors to know after they’re making an attempt to sort out subjects like race within the classroom?

JENKINS: Yeah. I believe the most important factor that is essential to notice is simply that we actually must depend on the scholar expertise to begin speaking about race in colleges. Our college students know what is going on on with race on this nation significantly better than the people who find themselves instructing it, so how can we contain college students extra in creating the sorts of curriculum and actions that enables them to really feel like their histories are being mirrored correctly?

And I believe it is actually essential for us to have intentional conversations about race as a result of as a lot as we need to act like race would not have an effect on the best way that we reside in the US, it does. And I believe we’ve got seen how the results of simply not speaking about it simply in, I believe, the awakening that we have had as a rustic over the past yr and a half.

CHANG: Yeah. And also you communicate very passionately about what you understand as your duty to combat in opposition to systemic injustice. Are you able to speak about the way you see that dedication?

JENKINS: I imply, it is the type of entire, like, with nice energy comes nice duty, the place if you happen to see an issue and you’re feeling like you have got the instruments to sort out it or if you recognize the proper individuals who will help sort out it, then it is on you – proper? – to assist to deal with that.

CHANG: I need to discuss extra about this concept of how we understand our personal racial identities and the way different individuals understand our racial identities. Like, Ichtaca, you talk about how individuals usually assume that you simply’re white as a substitute of Latinx. What do you suppose that they’re specializing in?

LIRA: I believe they’re specializing in merely my look. And it is undoubtedly uncomfortable as a result of I believe rising up, my dad and mom had been at all times certain to make me really feel actually happy with the place I got here from and to at all times get up for different individuals of shade and to cherish them after which to cherish myself for my id and my roots. And that was one thing that I nonetheless have, very a lot so, immediately. And particularly, like, within the wake of, like, what Zoe was saying, our racial awakening, I’m so happy with the place I come from.

CHANG: Yeah.

LIRA: So it is simply very unusual and makes me really feel like I can not communicate up on these points in the identical approach that I’ve earlier than.

CHANG: Effectively, Ichtaca, once you advised your father, who’s Mexican, about being seen as white – are you able to speak about how he responded to that?

LIRA: Yeah. So my dad, he was very righteous in, like, his reply of like, no, there is not any approach that you simply, as my child, needs to be perceived as white since you come from me. And my dad would not wish to understand himself as white.

(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “POST REPORTS: HOW ‘EUROPE’S LAST DICTATOR’ IS WEAPONIZING REFUGEES”)

UNIDENTIFIED PERSON #2: I nonetheless do not settle for that an individual such as you is white passing, and that is perhaps as a result of I’ve a private bias as effectively, you recognize, ‘trigger you type of appear like me.

LIRA: I believe it does, like, damage him in slightly little bit of a approach as a result of he additionally – like, his dad and mom had been immigrants. He needed to expertise racism. And so he’s very righteous in his id as an individual of shade in that, like, he desires me to have – to really feel the identical approach and…

CHANG: Yeah.

LIRA: …And never lose that a part of the best way that we see ourselves.

CHANG: Effectively, Zoe, I need to go to you now. Are you able to speak about the way you need to see conversations about race change?

JENKINS: Yeah. I believe the most important frustration I’ve run into is that individuals are very wanting to not be racist proper now, which, certain, is a good first step, however there are a lot of features during which we really do must deal with individuals in another way due to their race as a result of they’ve totally different privileges and entry to issues. I believe that is after we’ll be capable to discuss extra realistically about equitable options and never simply type of equal options that do not essentially, like, goal the sorts of inequalities that should be focused.

(SOUNDBITE OF ODDISEE’S “SKIPPING ROCKS”)

CHANG: That was Zoe Jenkins, Miranda Zanca and Ichtaca Lira. They’re reporters for YR Media. Their collection, Teenagers in America, is a collaboration with The Washington Put up.

Thanks to all three of you a lot for this unimaginable dialog.

ZANCA: Thanks.

JENKINS: Thanks. This was improbable.

LIRA: Thanks a lot.

(SOUNDBITE OF ODDISEE’S “SKIPPING ROCKS”)

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